Wednesday, January 13, 2010
"Guantanamo Guard Reunited with Ex-Inmate"
Wednesday, November 11, 2009
Most Comprehensive Interview to Date
I was interviewed during all three hours of the PeterMac Show this past Saturday night (11/07). With this extended time format I had the opportunity to go into greater detail about my time in GTMO, the process of conscientious objection, and my change from being a pro-war Statist to an anti-war anarchist.
*The linked mp3 files exclude commercials.
Daniel Lakemacher - 11/07/2009: Hr. 1
Saturday, 07 November 2009 00:00
Daniel Lakemacher of WarIsImmoral.com. Daniel filed a request to be discharged from the United States Navy as a conscientious objector (CO). After 131 more days of being forced to work under the threat of imprisonment, he was finally freed from his involuntary servitude on September 11, 2009.
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Daniel Lakemacher - 11/07/2009: Hr. 2
Saturday, 07 November 2009 00:00
Daniel Lakemacher of WarIsImmoral.com. Daniel filed a request to be discharged from the United States Navy as a conscientious objector (CO). After 131 more days of being forced to work under the threat of imprisonment, he was finally freed from his involuntary servitude on September 11, 2009.
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Daniel Lakemacher - 11/07/2009: Hr. 3
Saturday, 07 November 2009 00:00
Daniel Lakemacher of WarIsImmoral.com. Daniel filed a request to be discharged from the United States Navy as a conscientious objector (CO). After 131 more days of being forced to work under the threat of imprisonment, he was finally freed from his involuntary servitude on September 11, 2009.
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Tuesday, October 13, 2009
From Thought to Action
Sunday, October 4, 2009
War is an Effect of Government
Monday, September 28, 2009
Conformity & Compliance vs. Conscience & Consistency
What follows is some background information about Brett as seen on his website edu-lu-tion.com:
In my 10+ years of teaching, "school sucks" is perhaps the most common phrase I've heard students use to describe their feelings about public education. But this seemingly bitter and reductive slogan is actually quite clever. When taken literally, "school sucks" is perhaps the most accurate and astute synopsis of the system I've ever heard. Here's why...
The twelve-year process of an American public education has a dramatic effect on the mind of a child. When we first enter school at age six, many of our best personal attributes are already in place. We are curious, innovative, unique, creative and hopeful in ways that we will rarely be able to replicate throughout the rest of our lives. But over time, school sucks those essential attributes out of too many of us...and replaces them with predictability, obedience and apathy.
Brett includes a "Critical Thinking Question" as part of each episode, and for this show the question is, "How could disobedience to authority save millions of lives?" Whether you already know the answer or not, I'm confident that you'll find the content of the show to be thought-provoking and insightful.
Sunday, September 20, 2009
Radio Interview
On Tuesday I had the privilege of being interviewed by Scott Horton on KAOS 95.9 FM in Austin, Texas. Scott is the host of Antiwar Radio, and in addition to his live show, he publishes his interviews as podcasts. The bulk of Scott's questions were related to my time in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but I also had the opportunity to provide an overview of how to be discharged as a conscientious objector. I'm excited about the increased publicity this has brought to my own site, especially since many in the anti-war movement are unaware of the powerful impact that can be made by encouraging an active duty member to file as a conscientious objector.
Included below are links to the interview, as well as some information from the "About" page of antiwar.com. Antiwar.com is a unique source for detailed information that is hard to find through any of the major media outlets. Particularly in light of the recent U.S. military attack in Somalia, I encourage you to utilize this site as a means to discover critical information and alternate perspectives on the immoral actions perpetrated under the guise of United States foreign policy.
This site is devoted to the cause of non-interventionism and is read by libertarians, pacifists, leftists, "greens," and independents alike, as well as many on the Right who agree with our opposition to imperialism. Our initial project was to fight against intervention in the Balkans under the Clinton presidency. We applied the same principles to Clinton's campaigns in Haiti and Kosovo and bombings of Sudan and Afghanistan. Our politics are libertarian: our opposition to war is rooted in Randolph Bourne's concept that "War is the health of the State." With every war, America has made a "great leap" into statism, and as Bourne emphasized, "it is during war that one best understands the nature of that institution [the State]." At its core, that nature includes an ever increasing threat to individual liberty and the centralization of political power.
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Our dedication to libertarian principles, inspired in large part by the works and example of the late Murray N. Rothbard, is reflected on this site. While openly acknowledging that we have an agenda, the editors take seriously our purely journalistic mission, which is to get past the media filters and reveal the truth about America's foreign policy. Citing a wide variety of sources without fear or favor, and presenting our own views in the regular columns of various contributors, we clearly differentiate between fact and opinion, and let our readers know which is which.
Keep reading . . .
Friday, September 11, 2009
Day 131 - The End of My Military Enslavement
Wednesday, September 9, 2009
Days 124-129 - I've Seen It in Writing
The Myth of Afghan Terrorism
In his speech about Afghanistan, given at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London on 4 September 2009, British prime minister Gordon Brown argued that this is a war to protect people across the West from terrorism.
It is ‘not just a mission to protect the British people from the threat of terrorism but an international mission involving over 40 countries’, he said, ‘because we all face the same threat. We’ve all seen the reality of this threat: in Bali, Madrid, Mumbai, and of course on the streets of London four years ago.’ (1)
Raising the spectre of recent terrorist attacks to justify the war in Afghanistan is highly disingenuous - because Afghan terrorism is a myth. No Afghan citizens have been involved in any of the terror attacks mentioned by Brown. And even where non-Afghans have allegedly received funding or training from inside Afghanistan in order to carry out terrorist attacks, their drive and motivation has come from elsewhere.
A brief overview of recent attacks suggests that, contrary to what Brown says, the problem of contemporary terrorism will not be resolved by occupying Afghanistan.
Thursday, September 3, 2009
123 Days Later . . . A Verbal Answer Is Given
Sunday, August 30, 2009
Days 113-119 - Adding Insult to Injury
Dear Petty Officer Lakemacher,You have been selected to participate in the August 2009 Status of Forces Survey of Active Duty Members ... It will ask for your opinions on a variety of policies and programs that will improve the workplace and family life for all military members. While your participation is desired, it is entirely voluntary.I urge you to share your perspective on these important issues. This is your chance to influence the formulation of military personnel policies. These surveys are Official Business and can be completed at your duty station, using government equipment ...
I assure you that your responses will be kept confidential. All data will be reported in the aggregate and no individual data will be reported.
Sunday, August 23, 2009
Days 108-112 - Interview Responses
In my interview I neither spread lies nor exaggerated anything. I was absolutely disturbed by what I saw and experienced in GTMO, but I didn't immediately understand the evil nature of the acts I helped support. As you apparently feel now, I first reacted with hatred for the men imprisoned there and scorn for the way I had to "cater to their needs."
I think the best way I can address this is to ask if you would you so boldly claim that what goes on in GTMO is fair treatment if you were the one down there in a cage? Would you honestly say that you were being treated well if you were locked up in that same fashion? If you were caged someplace where none of your family or friends could come visit you, and you had no idea of whether or not you would even stand trial or have any opportunity to publicly defend yourself, would you be saying that all the people that were involved with keeping you confined in that manner were "taking care" of you?
If you were completely unarmed and had 5+ guys in riot gear forcefully restrain you within your cell simply because you didn't give back your styrofoam meal container when asked, would you say that was being treated well? Would you say you were being mistreated if you decided not to eat, and thus were forcefully strapped into a chair and fed through a tube that was put down your throat?
I didn't understand these dynamics all immediately, and for better or worse, it's taken me more than a year to come to my current understanding of what I experienced in GTMO. Believe me when I say that I'm not just saying stuff or making it up for the purpose of getting out of the military. My understanding has fundamentally changed since I first came home.
I see now that it's absolutely not catering to those people's needs if they're being housed in cages against their will. I couldn't rightly say that I was taking care of you if I locked you in a closet and then shoved food and water through a hole in the door. Even if I provided you the world's best medical treatment, but still kept you in a cage, it wouldn't be doing you a service if all you wanted to do was leave.
One point that you made was that the people down there were horrible baby-killer types. A second point you made was that the US is working to try and return them to places they won't be killed. This doesn't make any sense. If the people who had been, and are, at GTMO are really the sub-human animalistic killers that you make them out to be, then why would any of them have been released?
The fact is that the majority of those who have been confined in GTMO have already been released from there because they were innocent. Innocent people being locked up is mistreatment, even if they're later released. Secondly, if there are any people who are as horrible as you make out, then it would be easy to use reason and evidence to prove to the world that these men are justly confined.
People should not be indefinitely held against their will for supposed crimes for which they've never been convicted. However, this is exactly what Barack Obama has said needs to happen with some of the people confined in Guantanamo Bay (http://www.reason.com/news/show/134775.html). If they are guilty, prove it. If they are innocent (as most of them undoubtedly were given the fact that the majority of those who were ever there have already been released) then those in the United States military and those giving them orders ("President"/"Congress") have committed horrible acts of evil.
Tuesday, August 18, 2009
Days 106-107 - Meet My Interviewer (Video)
Sunday, August 16, 2009
Days 99-105 - In the Absence of Government
Without the initiation of force, there can be no state, and without a state, all that will remain is a voluntary society.
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Days 92-98 - A Website With a Purpose
"no combination of private marauders can possibly begin to match the state's unremitting record of theft, confiscation, oppression, and mass murder. No collection of Mafia or private bank robbers can begin to compare with all the Hiroshimas, Dresdens, and Lidices and their analogues through the history of mankind." (Society Without a State)
Sunday, August 2, 2009
Days 85-91 - State-Sponsored Terrorism
Sunday, July 26, 2009
Days 77-84 - Honesty vs. Morality
Despite a number of comments that criticized my desire to immediately and completely separate from myself from the group of individuals known as the United States Navy, no one defended my “enlistment contract” as a valid excuse for forcing my labor. Hopefully this a result of my presentation of the morally consistent definition of enforceable contract as defined by Murray Rothbard. In their comments, Jay and Nick’s recurring condemnation of my action instead seemed to be of a moral, or value-driven, nature. The following are a few examples.
From Jay:
"What N. Morris seems to and I to assert is that it becomes a matter of personal integrity. That is, be man enough to realize that you might have made a poor decision. But unless the other party is willing to renegotiate, you should stick to it."
From Nick:
“The way I figure it (with my simple infantry mind) when you make an agreement for anything weather it be legally on paper or verbally agreed upon with a spit on hand shake, a man's word is his honor.”
“My issue with what my good friend is doing has vary little to do with the legal aspect of it and everything to do with the honor and the word of the man who signed the contract. It is my belief that a man's honor bound agreement to fufill his time in the military outweighs his legal one.”
And finally, what I believe has been the most problematic but succinct statement:
“just because you suddenly see something as differnt or wrong doesn't mean you should not fufill your word.”
Many parties in this discussion, myself included, then made references to everything from the Holocaust, to the forced suicide of Roman soldiers, to the current murders committed by those collectively known as the United States Armed Forces. There is definitely value to be had in exploring the significance of these ideas in both past and present situations. However, amidst the back-and-forth barrage of analogies and opinions, it seems as though the truth of Nick’s last statement has neither been substantiated nor directly shown to be false.
Quoted below is a portion of the comment I posted in response to Nick. I had hoped, that without explicitly stating it, I could use an analogy to prompt Nick to reach his own conclusion about the disastrous implications of what he said.
“. . . would Nick have told a Nazi soldier that it didn't matter if he came to see Hitler's "Final Solution" as genocide because, after all, this soldier had given his word to be in the German Army?”
Nick’s response did not answer my question as to whether or not he would tell the German soldier to fulfill his word by obeying his orders to execute Jews. Instead, Nick wrote:
“To answer your qurry... there were many German soldiers who did their duty to their fellow soldiers and their country regardless of the fact that they knew Hitler was wrong … Just because Hitler was horribly immoral and without honor does not mean the normal German soldier out on the line was without morals or was dishonorable.”
This response completely ignores the issue of whether or not it’s right to keep your word if it involves doing what you believe is wrong. To further confound my attempts to understand his position, Nick later wrote back to B.R. Merrick that:
“I couldn't agree more with the statement "To follow orders instead of doing what you know is right is not honorable",”
To argue that one should not break one’s word (i.e. a promise to follow orders) while at the same time claiming that it would be dishonorable to follow orders if it involves doing something that you know is wrong, is essentially to advocate that one should act dishonorably (i.e. although it would be dishonorable, if you’ve given your word, one should do something that is wrong simply because one promised to do so). The other explanation is that Nick blatantly contradicted himself. Either way, it would appear that Nick and Jay place more value on keeping one’s word, than on refraining from wrong actions. This is likely due to an errant categorization of dishonesty as inherently wrong (a problem I address at the end of this blog).
At present, I have no illusions that either Jay, or Nick, as self-described members of the military, understands his actions to be wrong. That they’re sincere in this belief doesn’t justify any murders they may have committed, but it does explain why they personally would value keeping one’s word as more important than exiting a job that they don’t think inherently involves immoral actions.
What I fail to comprehend, is that if they know I believe war is immoral, and the military exists for waging war, why would they attempt to convince me, or anyone, that it would be better (in the sense of “honor”, “personal integrity”, etc.) to keep my word if it means supporting that which I believe is immoral? I cannot but assume that they somehow missed the meaning of what they said, because who would honestly argue that a contract-killer who comes to realize the evil nature of his job is still “honor-bound” to carry out his next “hit” simply because he gave his word that he would do so?
Given our similar upbringings, if Nick or Jay were to disagree with my assertion that war is immoral, that would be much more understandable to me than arguing that it’s dishonorable or not acting with integrity to do all that I can to avoid supporting actions that I believe are immoral. Humans naturally strive to avoid dissonance between belief and action. Once someone believes that an action is right or wrong, it’s to be expected that she or he will try and act, or not act, accordingly.
Even though I believe it, I have not attempted to convince anyone that they should leave the military because it would be “honorable.” Rather, I have put great effort into spreading the truth that war is immoral. I do this, because if people believe they support a just war, there is little or no hope of persuading them to change their actions. However, if they understand that war is immoral, then they will undoubtedly feel a strong internal compulsion to leave the military.
Finally, and most importantly, I believe Jay and Nick’s claims errantly equate honesty and/or keeping one’s word with morality. This is not merely a matter of semantics, but one of critical importance in deciding what is, or is not, an immoral action, and therefore, how actions should be prioritized. Properly understood, morality is proscriptive; in other words, it prohibits certain actions as wrong as opposed to prescribing actions as right. In sum, it is immoral to initiate the use of force against another human, or his or her property, and any action can be understood to be moral or immoral by this simple definition.
In this way, lying, or failing to keep a promise, cannot inherently be understood to be immoral. There are innumerable instances in which you can be dishonest, or not keep your word, and yet, you can still do so without initiating the use of force against any person, or any person’s property. For example, a man promises to be forever married to a woman; however, said woman then proceeds to regularly get drunk and beat the man. The man has made a promise, but in filing for divorce, and breaking his promise, he isn’t acting immorally, because he is not inherently initiating the use of force against the woman or her property.
This is not to say that honesty and keeping one’s word should not be valued. These behaviors are most definitely important, and they should be recognized as critical virtues of any desirable society. However, the mistake is to categorize honesty as a moral behavior. Doing so can result in committing a truly immoral action out of the desire to keep one’s word.
Consider the following: if being dishonest is immoral, then those who lied about hiding Jews, or broke promises in order to help black people escape slavery, were acting immorally. Likewise, if breaking a promise is classified as an immoral behavior, it creates the very paradox illustrated by Nick and Jay’s claims that it’s dishonorable to break one’s word, even if keeping one’s word involves committing immoral actions. While honesty and keeping promises are admirable behaviors in most daily circumstances, issues of morality rightfully trump these virtues when choosing to adhere to one standard involves failing to live up to the other.
Sunday, July 19, 2009
Days 71-76 - A Misunderstanding of Contract
Although this may not seem to directly address the issue of the immorality of war, I believe it’s both related and relevant. I honestly think that the American military would be rendered impotent were it not for the forced labor of military personnel. Working at the Navy’s only boot camp, I regularly interact with individuals who wish to leave the military after experiencing it firsthand, but instead they are forced to continue to “train” against their will. Only days and weeks after joining the Navy, if given the opportunity, a significant percentage of those who signed “contracts” would undoubtedly leave after discovering the true nature of military “service.”
Considering that the vast majority of military personnel claim that they were lied to by their Recruiters, it would only make sense that after discovering these lies, they would not continue to work under the false pretenses under which those very “contracts” were signed. It’s only after weeks of indoctrination and de-individuation that such persons willingly continue to work or even reenlist.
This is why spreading the truth that the organization known as the Department of Defense uses slavery to carry out its wars is crucial to ending both war and involuntary servitude.
First, to rebut the claim that one cannot “transfer one’s self-ownership”. That begs the simple question: “Why can’t I?” The analogy of someone else animating your body is a false choice.
The empirical fact that someone else cannot animate your body is not a false choice but incontrovertible evidence that one cannot transfer her or his self-ownership. An individual may choose to direct her behavior to fulfill the wishes or desires of someone else, but she is no less in control of her body and mind and, therefore, no less a self-owner because she does this. The reality is that no matter how many contracts you sign or oaths you swear, you cannot have any less ownership in yourself (i.e. control over your mind and body).
Entering into a contract, in any degree, doesn’t imply the loss of all bodily or cognitive function.
I fully agree, and this only serves to further answer the first question of why you can’t transfer your self-ownership.
But to assert that one person, for whatever reason would not be able to choose to limit their choice, freedom or any number of things that binding oneself to a contract inherently implies is a horribly misguided sentiment. If the price was right, who is to say that I should not enter into a bond that said I must not speak about one specific thing for a given time? I think that Dan would assert that this would be separation “from your right to internally control your body”. But why couldn’t I limit myself, for awhile, if I were to choose? To assert that I couldn’t would infringe on my personal liberty and invalidate most, if not all, contracts. .
I did not, nor do I, assert that a person should be prohibited from being able to “choose to limit their choice, freedom” etc. so long as these limitations are self-imposed and self-enforced. I believe it would be absolutely wrong to try and force you to speak about something if you decided to refrain from speaking about “one specific thing for a given time.” However, it would be equally wrong to try and force you to stop saying something no matter what you may have signed or to whom you may have promised that you wouldn’t do so.
As an individual Jay has the right to say, or not say, anything on his own property because exercising this ability does not constitute the initiation of force against anyone else. However, if Jay were to sign a piece of paper promising that he wouldn’t make certain statements for a given period of time, such a document should not be viewed as an enforceable contract. I’m not advocating that Jay should be prevented from signing such a piece of paper but rather that he could not justly be penalized for failing to fulfill his promise.
The reason the hypothetical “no speech contract” cannot be justly enforced is because it involves no transfer of property and, therefore, no implicit theft if not fulfilled. Jay is incapable of transferring his right to speak because it is an inherent part of his self-ownership. Even if he signs a “contract” swearing that he will not speak about something, there is no transfer of this aspect of his self-ownership to the “receiving party.” Ultimately, Jay’s ability to speak whatever he wishes is an unalienable right.
If the “receiving party” in Jay’s contract transfers property ($1) to him in exchange for his promised future action (silence), then such property can be rightly understood to have been transferred conditionally and not absolutely. Should Jay fail to make good on his word, it would be implicit theft for him to keep the $1. What would be wrong, would be for the “receiving party” to duct tape Jay’s mouth shut or to confine him to a cage because he started talking. It is obvious then that if there were no transfer of property to Jay it would also be wrong for him to be forced to maintain his silence.
To directly answer Jay’s question of why he couldn’t limit himself from speaking for a while if he so chose, I would say that he is certainly welcome to do so, and I never implied otherwise. My assertion is that it would be wrong for someone to initiate the use of force against him for failing to live up to his promise.
However, the hallmark of true libertarianism is the mixture of eisegetic views of fanciful writings, the inability to look two steps ahead as well as a widespread failure to apply theories to the real world. “True Libertarianism” works in a world where true libertarians are gods. Dan’s excerpt of Rothbard’s work falls in line with my assertion. He overlooks (because it doesn’t fit with his world view, I suspect) the actual cost of a contract. Rothbard may have had an ethical book published. I doubt he did well in econ though.
That Jay expressed his doubt that Rothbard “did well in econ,” is an unfortunate example of shoving one’s foot deep into one’s mouth. Until his death in 1995, Murray Rothbard was in fact the preeminent economist of the Austrian School. He held a doctorate in the Philosophy of Economics from Columbia and was a distinguished professor at the University of Nevada. In addition to publishing numerous books on economics, he helped found the world center for Austrian Economics (Ludwig Von Mises Institute) as well as the scholarly journal “Review of Austrian Economics.” (Wikipedia: Murray Rothbard)
As for Jay’s claims of failing to apply ideas to the real world, I find this to be in direct contradiction to my condemnation and call for change to the very real world situation in which I’m forced to labor on behalf of others because of a past promise.
Simply put, contracts have both a cost and a price. What Rothbard and Dan both look at is the price. However, the cost may be far more. While an entity may offer pay for a given period in exchange for any number of things (work, silence, sex, whatever) they make the assumption that whatever problem they were trying to fix, or gap they were trying to fill, will be taken care of for that set amount of time. Thus, they can shift resources elsewhere.
The flaw in the thinking here seems to be in the idea that “If I am basically being paid as I go, me breaking the contract is ok. No harm, no foul.” That’s simply not the case. Reneging on a contract causes a shift in resources, time and personnel that the contract was designed to avoid for a set amount of time. This is the de facto theft that Rothbard cannot see. If not for future assurances, why make contracts at all? Thus, if Dan were to break his contract, it would be implicit theft.
Again, Jay fails to address the exchange of property that is essential to any justifiably enforceable contract. The fact that the expectations of people in the military would go unmet if I were to fail to fulfill my promise of labor cannot in any way be seen as my possessing any property that justly belongs to people in the military. Even though I signed such a promise in writing, it does not change the lack of property involved.
Jay is correct that the military might experience losses as a result of having decided to “shift resources elsewhere.” However, any such losses are always a risk when making predictions about human behavior, and they would not equate to theft on my part. If you doubt this, tell me what property belonging to the military I would possess if I were to stop working for them.
The analogy of the baseball player vs. the military is another false choice. I have known Dan for as long as I can remember. I know him to be an intelligent person. I cannot accept the argument that he didn’t know what he was getting into. To do so would imply wholesale ignorance on his part. The same goes for the baseball star. He knows the consequences of his actions when he signs on the dotted line. Dan did as well (as have I 3 times). Consequences are inherently a part of a contract and they vary. Given one’s place in history, indentured servitude could be an excellent option. But the argument of whether the cost was paid up front or in installments is paper thin. If Dan were to have received a bonus, would his arguments really be framed differently? I think not.
Jay does not explain what he means by saying that the analogy of the baseball player and the military is a false choice, so I cannot address this claim.
I’m glad that Jay doesn’t accept the argument that I didn’t know what I was getting into by signing a piece of paper promising to work for the military. I’m the only person who can truly answer as to whether or not I understood, and yet I would not accept this argument either. The fact that I did understand what I was doing when I signed those papers is never something that I have contested, and therefore, I’m unsure why Jay highlighted this truth.
If Jay was pointing this out for the purpose of arguing that a consequence is justified so long as someone understands beforehand what the consequence will be, then I vehemently disagree. I knew when I signed those papers that if I failed to fulfill my promise others would claim justification for imprisoning me. At the time, I agreed with this, but that neither made it right at the time, nor does it justify the threat of such action now that I properly understand it as enslavement.
My overall argument that I am currently enslaved would not be framed differently had I received a bonus tied to a set number of years of work. However, such a bonus would equate to the transfer of property, and therefore, as with Jay and his $1 received in exchange for silence, I would rightly transfer back any property I had conditionally received.
Although these clarifications are important to a proper understanding of what rightly constitutes a contract, it is irrelevant to my current circumstances. Unfortunately, those people identified as the military believe that I can rightfully be forced to fulfill my promise despite the fact that there would not be any implicit theft of property on my part if I were allowed to quit.
Dan’s lack of concern about his future employment adds nothing to this debate; it only shows that others may, whether they agree or disagree with him, find him hirable. The same goes for the persistence of taxes or the military. It has nothing to do with the debate (although everything to do with the failure to apply theory to the world and looking past step two). Neither does using the rape example. That analogy simply preys on our culture’s view on prostitution and other mores. If in another time or place; people wouldn’t look so harshly on said example.
My addressing my future employment was not for the purpose of debate, but seeing as this is my blog, I added it because some readers inquired about my perspective on this issue, and I figured that others who know me would be interested as well. I remain unclear on what is meant by “looking past step two,” and I can only postulate that it is somehow an argument that the ends can justify the means. As for the rape example, it remains pertinent, regardless of the prevailing cultural views on sex because it addresses the central question of our debate: whether or not it’s right to force someone to keep a promise.
In conclusion, who is to say what I can or cannot chose to do or give up? This is the nature of contractual law. Both parties giving up something of value for something they happen to find more valuable. The clauses or timeframe of said contract have no bearing in this debate. Simply that, at the time of signing, both parties accepted the terms. For good or for bad Dan, I and most of you have done the same at some time. The fact that we gave up something whether it be money, goods, time or a combination means little. And to renege is theft on some level. However, the greatest litmus test is to turn the contract around and play devil’s advocate. And here is where Dan’s argument meets its greatest failure: One party is always cheated when the other doesn’t come through.
Jay’s conclusion makes clear that he does not recognize the transfer of property as the key to understanding just contract. Without a transfer of property, as in the case of a promise, reneging cannot be theft because theft requires the possession of someone else’s just property. In cases where property has been conditionally transferred dependent on the fulfillment of some action, the property should be returned if the contract is not fulfilled. However, in no case, is force ever justified to make someone keep a promise. Nevertheless, this is the standard operating procedure for those comprising the “Department of Defense.”
Ultimately, Jay is correct in implying that, apart from initiating the use of force, nobody should be able to justifiably say what a person “can or cannot chose to do or give up.” If this is his belief, I wonder why he does not see the contradiction in then arguing that I should be forced to continue to labor for someone else? Is slavery not one of the worst examples of forcing someone else’s action?
