Sunday, July 26, 2009

Days 77-84 - Honesty vs. Morality

I again had the privilege of co-hosting the Complete Liberty Podcast with Wes and Brett last week. We continued our discussion of an article about necessary evil, this time venturing into the realm of religion, family, and so-called "life-boat scenarios." Additionally the issues of valid contract and kangaroo courts (governmental courts), places where the prosecutor and judge work for the same organization, were addressed as well.

I encourage you to check out Episode 76 - The Seen and Unseen of Politics, Mythologies, Life-boat Ethics, Evil, and Contract Theory. The show is available for download or online listening by clicking, or right-clicking, here for the mp3, or for free at the iTunes Store.


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My original intent for this week’s blog had been to focus on a different topic than that of “military service” as involuntary servitude; however, the nature of the many comments that were posted has led me to respond to a different aspect of this issue.

Despite a number of comments that criticized my desire to immediately and completely separate from myself from the group of individuals known as the United States Navy, no one defended my “enlistment contract” as a valid excuse for forcing my labor. Hopefully this a result of my presentation of the morally consistent definition of enforceable contract as defined by Murray Rothbard. In their comments, Jay and Nick’s recurring condemnation of my action instead seemed to be of a moral, or value-driven, nature. The following are a few examples.

From Jay:

"What N. Morris seems to and I to assert is that it becomes a matter of personal integrity. That is, be man enough to realize that you might have made a poor decision. But unless the other party is willing to renegotiate, you should stick to it."

From Nick:

“The way I figure it (with my simple infantry mind) when you make an agreement for anything weather it be legally on paper or verbally agreed upon with a spit on hand shake, a man's word is his honor.”

“My issue with what my good friend is doing has vary little to do with the legal aspect of it and everything to do with the honor and the word of the man who signed the contract. It is my belief that a man's honor bound agreement to fufill his time in the military outweighs his legal one.”

And finally, what I believe has been the most problematic but succinct statement:

“just because you suddenly see something as differnt or wrong doesn't mean you should not fufill your word.”

Many parties in this discussion, myself included, then made references to everything from the Holocaust, to the forced suicide of Roman soldiers, to the current murders committed by those collectively known as the United States Armed Forces. There is definitely value to be had in exploring the significance of these ideas in both past and present situations. However, amidst the back-and-forth barrage of analogies and opinions, it seems as though the truth of Nick’s last statement has neither been substantiated nor directly shown to be false.

Quoted below is a portion of the comment I posted in response to Nick. I had hoped, that without explicitly stating it, I could use an analogy to prompt Nick to reach his own conclusion about the disastrous implications of what he said.

“. . . would Nick have told a Nazi soldier that it didn't matter if he came to see Hitler's "Final Solution" as genocide because, after all, this soldier had given his word to be in the German Army?”

Nick’s response did not answer my question as to whether or not he would tell the German soldier to fulfill his word by obeying his orders to execute Jews. Instead, Nick wrote:

“To answer your qurry... there were many German soldiers who did their duty to their fellow soldiers and their country regardless of the fact that they knew Hitler was wrong … Just because Hitler was horribly immoral and without honor does not mean the normal German soldier out on the line was without morals or was dishonorable.”

This response completely ignores the issue of whether or not it’s right to keep your word if it involves doing what you believe is wrong. To further confound my attempts to understand his position, Nick later wrote back to B.R. Merrick that:

“I couldn't agree more with the statement "To follow orders instead of doing what you know is right is not honorable",”

To argue that one should not break one’s word (i.e. a promise to follow orders) while at the same time claiming that it would be dishonorable to follow orders if it involves doing something that you know is wrong, is essentially to advocate that one should act dishonorably (i.e. although it would be dishonorable, if you’ve given your word, one should do something that is wrong simply because one promised to do so). The other explanation is that Nick blatantly contradicted himself. Either way, it would appear that Nick and Jay place more value on keeping one’s word, than on refraining from wrong actions. This is likely due to an errant categorization of dishonesty as inherently wrong (a problem I address at the end of this blog).

At present, I have no illusions that either Jay, or Nick, as self-described members of the military, understands his actions to be wrong. That they’re sincere in this belief doesn’t justify any murders they may have committed, but it does explain why they personally would value keeping one’s word as more important than exiting a job that they don’t think inherently involves immoral actions.

What I fail to comprehend, is that if they know I believe war is immoral, and the military exists for waging war, why would they attempt to convince me, or anyone, that it would be better (in the sense of “honor”, “personal integrity”, etc.) to keep my word if it means supporting that which I believe is immoral? I cannot but assume that they somehow missed the meaning of what they said, because who would honestly argue that a contract-killer who comes to realize the evil nature of his job is still “honor-bound” to carry out his next “hit” simply because he gave his word that he would do so?

Given our similar upbringings, if Nick or Jay were to disagree with my assertion that war is immoral, that would be much more understandable to me than arguing that it’s dishonorable or not acting with integrity to do all that I can to avoid supporting actions that I believe are immoral. Humans naturally strive to avoid dissonance between belief and action. Once someone believes that an action is right or wrong, it’s to be expected that she or he will try and act, or not act, accordingly.

Even though I believe it, I have not attempted to convince anyone that they should leave the military because it would be “honorable.” Rather, I have put great effort into spreading the truth that war is immoral. I do this, because if people believe they support a just war, there is little or no hope of persuading them to change their actions. However, if they understand that war is immoral, then they will undoubtedly feel a strong internal compulsion to leave the military.

Finally, and most importantly, I believe Jay and Nick’s claims errantly equate honesty and/or keeping one’s word with morality. This is not merely a matter of semantics, but one of critical importance in deciding what is, or is not, an immoral action, and therefore, how actions should be prioritized. Properly understood, morality is proscriptive; in other words, it prohibits certain actions as wrong as opposed to prescribing actions as right. In sum, it is immoral to initiate the use of force against another human, or his or her property, and any action can be understood to be moral or immoral by this simple definition.

In this way, lying, or failing to keep a promise, cannot inherently be understood to be immoral. There are innumerable instances in which you can be dishonest, or not keep your word, and yet, you can still do so without initiating the use of force against any person, or any person’s property. For example, a man promises to be forever married to a woman; however, said woman then proceeds to regularly get drunk and beat the man. The man has made a promise, but in filing for divorce, and breaking his promise, he isn’t acting immorally, because he is not inherently initiating the use of force against the woman or her property.

This is not to say that honesty and keeping one’s word should not be valued. These behaviors are most definitely important, and they should be recognized as critical virtues of any desirable society. However, the mistake is to categorize honesty as a moral behavior. Doing so can result in committing a truly immoral action out of the desire to keep one’s word.

Consider the following: if being dishonest is immoral, then those who lied about hiding Jews, or broke promises in order to help black people escape slavery, were acting immorally. Likewise, if breaking a promise is classified as an immoral behavior, it creates the very paradox illustrated by Nick and Jay’s claims that it’s dishonorable to break one’s word, even if keeping one’s word involves committing immoral actions. While honesty and keeping promises are admirable behaviors in most daily circumstances, issues of morality rightfully trump these virtues when choosing to adhere to one standard involves failing to live up to the other.

12 comments:

  1. I would only add, how can it be immoral to lie to a liar? The state cannot survive if it tells the truth. It MUST lie to overcome the morality and common sense of its subjects. How can the state convince its subjects to kill, steal from their neighbor (through taxes) and believe the state is owed at least a piece of their property if it doesn’t lie? How can the state, as an institution, rationalize and excuse itself for behavior not tolerated by individuals if it doesn‘t lie?

    If you must lie or break a promise to protect yourself against an armed, dangerous, tyrannical liar (in this case, the state) then by all means do so.

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  2. This is in line (in part) with what I was trying to convey, about one signee to a contract being dishonest at the outset, and how such a contract should be viewed as invalid. I think Mr. Lakemacher is further correct in stating that when a promise has been made, or word given, and then the process or end result of that promise or word turns out to be immoral, the contract itself is null and void. We're not talking about legal loopholes in the service of cowardice, nor about refusal to return rightful property out of greed.

    As far as what this has to do with honor, I am contemplating writing an article about this in the future. I am reminded of the writings on honor by James Bowman, an important conservative writer who has a lot to say about honor, and the loss of this phenomenon as a result of the advent of feminism and then post-modernism.

    According to Bowman, honor does not always align with what is right, or with truth. It is interesting that both "honor" and "honesty" share the same Latin root word for honesty. Taking what Mr. Lakemacher says about honesty being sacrificed at times for the greater good, such as hiding Jews from Nazis, perhaps honor ought to be sacrificed as well for the greater good, which Bowman says is in keeping with what Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount.

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  3. In response to Dan's comment...

    The initial quote that Dan posted taken from the last post dealing with contracts is very different then the new question he is posing. My response, also quoted by Dan, outlined how a soldier in the German Army could indeed have a moral problem with the systematic annihilation of the Jews as well as not have a problem serving in the German army. Dan, in this post, has more clearly defined his question. He is not dealing with any random German soldier finding fault with one man's deranged quest to kill off a whole race of people, he is rather exploring the age old question of “If you were ordered to shoot an unarmed individual who was no threat, even so much as a perceived threat, to you, would you carry out your orders.” This is a very different quarry than the first one. Dan's first quarry is simply figuring out as a soldier weather the threat to and possible extinction of your own people is more important than the deranged extermination of the Jews. That German soldier has every bit of moral justification to remain in the army to defend his own people from possible extinction and should not be labeled as evil because of it. Furthermore he has sworn a solemn oath to defend his own people from possible extinction and therefore has a moral duty to do so. Should he remain in the army? Yes!

    Dan's clarification of his intent by asking his first question is a different matter. Now instead of having to figure out weather or not to walk away from the army because the army has a hand in extermination of the Jews this German Soldier is being ordered to shoot an unarmed Jew who poses no threat to him or his fellow soldiers. Should he follow that order? No, not only is it inherently immoral, but that Jew is not his enemy. In this case the German soldier has a moral duty not to obey that order, however he does not have the moral duty to walk away from his responsibilities to protect his own people from extermination. Should he leave the army? No. Should he kill the Jew? No.

    The carrying out of and the questioning of orders has nothing to do with a sworn duty to protect one's people and fellow soldiers. I can question any order I want, I can request to see written orders for any necessary clarification. Not to mention the fact that I have no legal obligation to follow any order that is illegal. Knowingly shooting a non combatant is illegal. If I am ordered to do so I will refuse and I will in turn order my soldiers not to follow said illegal order. Now for the record, for all of those who will no doubt continue to pull philosophy out of their ass and keep trying to pull the old George Carlin “If God is all powerful can He Himself make a rock larger then He can lift?” I have yet to be handed an order even close to shooting people who shouldn't be shot. For those who have it in their mind that I as a US soldier am doing such things over here YOU ARE WRONG, MISLEAD, AND OUT OF YOUR MIND! And, that being said, don't even bring that to the debating table as it has no barring on reality.

    I hope this answers Dan's question.

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  4. Furthermore...

    It also became apparent to me that Enlightened Rouge and possibly B.R., may even have an issue with the American Soldier's perspective in this area. Is killing okay to prevent the mass extermination of the Jews? I think that it is well understood that if the German People had simply refused to exterminate the Jews then there wouldn't be too much of an issue. However they did not. Regardless of how many good people refused to have a hand in killing the Jews there were enough people who didn't have a problem with killing the Jews to make genocide an issue. In which case, do we have a moral obligation therefor to try and stop it? I think most people will answer yes we do. The question then becomes, do we have the moral right to kill the person forcing the genocide? I say when all else has failed, yes we do. Using this logic perhaps not only do we have the right to, but I think that some people would say that we have a moral obligation to. I won't go this far, but I certainly don't have a problem killing to prevent more killing. There are people who just like touching the hot stove so to speak. Hitler was a dude that needed to be waxed, no if ands or buts. My mind is already swimming with more ideas pertaining to this. I am sure this post will create plenty of debating fun, so I am simply going to wait for people to inquire before I put forth more ideas on the aforementioned subject.

    Now, on to another part of Dan's post. Dan mentions something very important when he is dealing with honesty and morality. My thoughts are, anybody who was hiding Jews or helping escaped slaves and thus lying about their actions to avoid being killed themselves were indeed acting morally. However, very few if any had already made a promise not to do so before they did. They are being dishonest yes, but they are not breaking any contract in doing so.

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  5. "just because you suddenly see something as differnt or wrong doesn't mean you should not fufill your word."

    this one is especially stupid. it seems that murder is just as subjective matter but keeping your word as a murderer is an important thing ...

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  6. N. Morris said, "I certainly don't have a problem killing to prevent more killing."

    This would make more sense if the United States, the Soviet, the British and/or the French governments had gone to war with Germany to prevent the Holocaust. They did not. Each government had immigration quotas making it impossible for Jews to escape to each country. FDR turned away a boatload of Jews, who undoubtedly ended up in concentration camps. Hitler's Final Solution itself was a direct result of war having been declared on Germany. The full horror of the Holocaust was not known until the war was winding down. If you want to prevent genocide, the last thing you want to do is go to war.

    N. Morris also said, "They [who hide Jews and slaves] are being dishonest yes, but they are not breaking any contract in doing so."

    It makes no difference whether a contract was entered into or not. If, by chance, one or more people entered into a contract NOT to hide Jews or slaves, and then had a change of heart, they still have a moral obligation to break the contract and stand on the side of humanity.

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  7. Mr. Morris’ argument reveals the collectivist, ethical dynamic that must be navigated to defend collectivist actions- actions that would be considered not rational or even heinous by individuals. In other words he must defend the actions of “we” instead of “me.” Even an intelligent and otherwise ethical individual must perform all sorts of contortions to reason his way through this deadly mine field. We’ve all been through that process.

    I think his testimony reveals the complex argument required when attempting to justify and reason behavior as part of a hierarchal, collective institution- the state. One may be required to defend state actions that would be considered unethical or even criminal if performed by individuals. These types of problems, situations and ethical questions only arise when living within the context of collective, state rule.

    When one lives one’s life as a free, moral, SOVEREIGN individual he is empowered to live a peaceful, moral, ethical life. As long as he does so, he need not defend his actions to anyone. If he instead volunteers his allegiance to a collective he must live its ethic and justify its actions and inconsistencies or risk being labeled treasonous by his self-appointed rulers.

    Ultimately, the only power one has is how he lives his life as an individual. You surrender most, if not all, that power when you sign on as a “citizen.”

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  8. I have caught up a little on the writing with my family and am concerned about your thinking not in terms of the military but with your thoughts regarding truth. I would love to engage in a discussion but have two questions in order for this to be worthwhile.

    1. Is there truth?

    2. Can we know truth?

    A simple yes or no is all that is required.

    Thanks

    Steve Proppp

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  9. Mr. Propp,

    1. Yes
    2. Yes

    I'd be most curious to know why you're concerned about my "thoughts regarding truth." If, by truth, you mean "the identification of a fact of reality," then I would say that any person who continues to live and act in this world inherently acknowledges this principle.

    Even if I claimed otherwise, I couldn't have gotten out of bed and written this message without evidencing my belief that I can identify what is real (my body, the floor, the computer in front of me) and act in response to it (sit up, walk, type).

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  10. The definition of truth I used was from Leonard Peikoff “The Analytic-Synthetic Dichotomy,” Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, 150.

    As cited on the Ayn Rand Lexicon website: http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/truth.html

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  11. Here is why I ask. In previous posts you claim in more or less words that people can believe what they want to or believe what is right for them. Truth is not dependent on sincerity of belief. It is either right or wrong. So what happens if I believe you are wrong? Does that make "your truth" not valid. The point here is that there must be a right and wrong. Carry this to a logical conclusion and in order to have a moral standard by which we can claim for example murder is wrong there must be a God otherwise people are just different. God (yes Jesus Christ as part of the trinity) gave us a conscious. Murder is considered world wide to be wrong. Rape is wrong. Stealing is wrong. This does not depend on our belief it just is. Now use your conscious and it doesn't take long to compare yourself to God's moral standard (the Ten Commandments) and we realize how wretched of a person we are. Then we realize the what the Gospel is. Your claim to be an evangelical Christian is false. God saves us, and we would never walk away from serving God if He saved us. I want to be direct and say I don't care about your conscientious objection to serving in the military. The humanism and circular reasoning you have engaged in has made quite clear the state of your soul - desperate need for God's grace. I urge and want to plead with you to find out whether the Gospel is true. Read the book of John. That is a clear picture of who Christ is from a first hand perspective. Then I pray that you will see what you are in God's eyes - a wretched sinner like the rest of us in desperate need of Grace. Then you will understand the good news. Until then I will pray for your conviction and saving grace.

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  12. Anonymous (a.k.a. Steve Proppp),

    Wow! Can there be any wonder why people are so turned off by Christianity, when people like you have the audacity to judge the state of a person's soul (a task that God alone can do) just by reading something they wrote on a blog? My reading of the Gospels presents a picture of God's love and grace, but you seem all hung up on the whole guilt and "wretched sinner" thing, as most FundaMENTALists are wont to do. Oh, by the way, this is an antiwar website, not a beat thou neighbor over the head with a Bible website. But since we're going down that road, I'd like to ask all of America's Evangelical Christians (who are overwhelmingly pro-Bush, pro-Republican, and pro-war) how they can honesty square that stance and their support for our Imperialist government with the message of Jesus Christ and his gospel of peace? Now those are sins that we need forgiveness for!

    Matt Lakemacher

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